China’s new law: “The Law on Penalties in Public Security Administration”

Huzige · #1 05-03-2006, 06:49 AM

When it was first enacted six months ago, “The Law on Penalties in Public Security Administration” has generated quite a bit of interests since it affects Chinese citizens and foreigners in everyday life ranging from jumping across the road barriers to unruly pets. It is an “upgrade” from the set of “Legislative Rules” that has been in existence for almost two decades - see here for full text (unfortunately in Chinese): http://www.china.org.cn/chinese/PI-c/953139.htm

And for cheongsters like many samsters, the penalties pertaining to “prostitution and buying sex” will be of special interests. I am therefore starting this thread to generate some discussions, as well as a gentle “reminder” to brudders of the potential consequences should we unfortunately got caught with our pants down in China. After all, places like CP, ZH and SZ are becoming very popular with samsters lately, and I get the feelings that many treat it no different as destinations such as neighboring countries with much “friendly” laws – especially when I see the whole troop of Singaporeans and Malaysians marching down YL in CP with mummies in hot pursuit. Indeed, the GA has warned that foreigners can be deported under the new laws that came into effect on 1March’06: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_4240630.htm

In the past, offenders caught for prostitution will be released with a fine of RMB 5000. However, under the new laws, offenders can be detained for 10-15 days, a fine of less than RMB 5000, as well as informing the family members (including your wife.) Only those consider a “minor case” will escape detention and a fine of less than RMB 500, and perhaps your family member will not be informed. According to some reports, the “minor case” is described as one that concern a first time offender of under 14 yo (that exclude just about all samsters), and those that have agreed on the deal but have not acted on it (that is, no bonking act yet). Apparently those getting a HJ in sauna is consider a “minor case” although it may get you a detention of less than 5 days – perhaps you can arguably get more sympathetic consideration if you claim to have a dong of sub-normal growth

Obviously, it is still earlier days yet and the full impact of the new laws and their significance will have on the fun places like CP are yet to be seen. Of course, the key question is implementation and enforcement. After all, the “laws” have always been there, but in general the GA has left the cheonging activities alone – except during the “yandas严打” that usually only affect the MMs. Moreover, the economic impact of the MMs cannot be under-estimated. I would guess the new laws will be there, readily to be used when the GAs see fit. Moreover, it also creates more avenues for corrupting GAs too.

However, the GA will still need to prove that you are guilty of the act. Under the new laws, they cannot detain you for more than 8 hours of questioning, and 24 hours for “complicated case” (maybe if they suspect you are OKT.) So, it maybe beneficial to have prior “discussions” with MM for mutual benefits, e.g. to know more about each other to concoct a story so that you two can say you are lovers. The law is only against prostitution. BTW, there is always a possibility that the person knocking on the door may NOT be a GA, but pretending to be one to extort you. Do not open the door unless the hotel management is present. And I would not open the door in a private apartment. After all, any stalling of time will allow you to get rid of “evidences” such as cum-filled condoms.

And a few other Articles of the new laws that may be of interests to cheongsters:
1. Article 66 also forbids “LaKe拉客” – we can now threaten the aggressive mummies at places like YL 年CP – their activities will incur detention of 5 days or a fine of less than RMB 500;
2. Drunkenness can attract “punishment” (Article 15);
3. Beware that 3 or 4-P maybe considered “group sex” causing disturbances (Article 69) that will incur 10-15 days detention and fine of RMB 500-1000;
4. Streaking is not encouraged – Article 44 calls for 5-10 days detention;
5. Article 56 requires hotels to register all guests – does this mean all MMs must be registered now?
6. Article 42 is one against sending pornographic SMSs (three is consider an offence) and other messages. So, be careful what you sent to your MMs – even through QQ – these could potentially be used against you when your relationship with the MMs soured.

The above only represent my own amateurish “interpretation” of the new laws and thus only my own humble opinion to generate discussions. Any comments are therefore most welcome.

Meanwhile, continue to have fun – but be extremely discrete and careful.

Sinoview · #2 05-03-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Huzige

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The above only represent my own amateurish “interpretation” of the new laws and thus only my own humble opinion to generate discussions. Any comments are therefore most welcome.

Well done ....You open up the "hotest topic" that concern chiongsters now in the China for discussion.

I think this is like any other China laws, properly documented "good" for the society but the question os "enforcement" n interprepation....

A good example os their traffic rules....the China men "creative" driving makes their trafiic lights more like a "guide lines" .... The Chinese already has got a rule like many develop countries that driving n talking on hp is an offence. Have we seen anyone follow it ? and has any GA enforce the law ?

Of course, we also know that the China government knows very well that they cannot "stop" such activities instantly. CP and many alike towns in China will be shut down period. Many families back in the countryside will not hv money send home. That may result in a major social unrest and riot.

Having said that, we also know that China gov. need to "show" that they are "serious" people and will "show" that they are enforcing the "new" laws. So we really do not know "when" are they going to enforce it, how "serious" are they going to follow the law ? where are they going "start" making an "example" ?

So I totally agreed with Huzige advised is better to be more cautious..... let other be the "example" and see how ?

orangeox · #3 05-03-2006, 02:37 PM

Good discussion I must say......

The Chinese themselves somtimes have problem understanding their own law.

However, the LAW always have a Grey Area.......

Most Important I think is not to FLUANT own Expat/Tourist status and use it against the Locals. Human nature lar..U make them Feel lousy..they make U fell lagi LOUSY!

Try to avoid cheonging a in BIG BIG group when U r out of the KTV or Suana.

Keep a low profile

Cheers and continue to Cheong Hard..the Chinese enconmy need our SGD$ to convert into RMBs.

LawTeoChew · #4 05-03-2006, 05:41 PM

Bro Huzige,

I received 2 calls from Malaysian chiongsters that this news has been highly pubilcised by Xin Chew in Malaysia, reiterating the chiongster nightmare of getting the wives to bail out those who are caught.

Good that you initiate this topic for discussion. Hope other Bros in other part of China can provide advise and report any incident of such case after the amended law.

Lets be careful and discreet while we enjoy ourselves.

Cheers
LTC

Huzige · #5 05-03-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinoview

.... let other be the "example" and see how ?

Amen, Uncle Sino. Chinese is very good at making examples of someone. Just hope that it is not a samster that gets the dubious distinction of being the first foreigner charged under the new “治安管理处罚法” law. Knowing how much the Chinese loves the Japs, it wouldn’t surprised me if it is a Jap

I do know one of the things that really worried the locals, Hongkees and Taiwanese is the fact that their wives will now be informed. I can only imagine the family “unrests” this will cause, as well as the divorce rate. It will make an interesting topic for social studies. I don’t believe that my local, Hongkee and Taiwanese friends will give up extra-curricular bonkings because of the new laws – many still believe the RedMaos will do wonders.

Indeed, that is also my own main concern – what is there to stop the corrupted GAs to take advantage. And for the “creative & entrepreneurial” local crooks (whether with a fake GA or corrupted GA) will now have new avenues to extort.

I also wonder if “Bao Er Nai包二奶” will be considered “prostitution and buying sex?” BTW, Uncle Sino, I guess I can now use Article 58 (disturbances due to excessive noise from your neighbor) to quiet you down when you stay next door in thin-walled hotels such as FH & HT? hahaha!

Well, there are good things that come out of it. The GAs are now “supposed” to be more transparent, and there is a set procedures – officially in the name of “human rights” - to regulate the GAs. Of course, penalties are clarified and specific – all supposedly leaving less room for interpretation, as well as abuses by the GAs. Previously, the locals can be sent to the "farms" (labor or re-education camps) without trials. Of course, we all know the realities can be very different – only time will tell. And all those annoying professional beggars (including those pestering you to buy flowers, as well as those organizing them) are now illegal and punishable under the new law (10-15days detention and fine of RMB1000 under Article 41). I would also expect the mummies to be less aggressive – I wonder if GAs will take action if I complain that I have been pestered by the increasingly aggressive mummies when walking to YL Hotel in CP?

But for those of us who go to China to work (with pleasure on the side) – being deported for indulging in such ECAs will be too heavy a price to pay – it will be tough to explain to your CO & employer. Moreover, it can also be used for commercial blackmailing too – yeah, I’m known to be “paranoid” at times – but that’s because I have seen them happened before. “Work hard, play harder – but be extremely cautious and safe!” is what I subscribed to.

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Originally Posted by orangeox

Most Important I think is not to FLUANT own Expat/Tourist status and use it against the Locals. Human nature lar..U make them Feel lousy..they make U fell lagi LOUSY!

Try to avoid cheonging a in BIG BIG group when U r out of the KTV or Suana.

Keep a low profile.

Cheers and continue to Cheong Hard..the Chinese enconmy need our SGD$ to convert into RMBs.

Yo, brudder – you are right. I fear for them every time when I see a group of Singaporeans and Malaysians trooping down YL in CP, even before this laws came into effect. And I would avoid saunas without good recommendation. Maybe I’m just paranoid – then again, I’m not a sauna man and I dread those ISO-inspired procedures to “abuse” my body

BTW, I’m plotting a visit to your neighborhood. But it looks like the earliest I can make it to China (and southern part in particular) again is mid-April due to other traveling commitments. Will let you know as soon as I can. Uncle Sino & LTC, you guys interested? We will be discrete to ensure the GAs will not throw Article 69 against us – although I kinda like that number, hehehe!

wanz · #6 05-03-2006, 08:06 PM

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Morningrun · #7 06-03-2006, 12:07 PM

Brudder Huzige,

Great meeting up with you last night! So what you think of my GF? She was quite happy to do the sauna and facial while we were having the coffee so no problems.

Hey I checked through this thread and I can confirm that if the police catch you and told your mother she will be hapy to pay extra 5,000 RMB for the authorities to supply more MM to you so that you can settle down lah.

By the way, so April on or not? I want to join your family leh......

Cheers and I hope you get the contract so we can cheong in Shanghai.

Morningrun.

knowntender · #8 07-03-2006, 02:37 AM

This of course can't stop P4P. However, the P4P aspects of this new law will result in

1 More tea money to change hands
2 Tea money amount goes up exponentially.
3 More "er nai" ( mistress ) are recruited.
4 More didos are cut off.
5 More flight from +++yo/Osaka to Bangkok.

and much more.

I was thinking about this subject while playing the field in Vietnam. I was wondering if someone knocked on the door of my hotel room in the wee hours, how would I and she react ? In contrary, I don't give a damn about it while having a LT every night in Thailand.

Huzige · #9 07-03-2006, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Morningrun

Brudder Huzige,

Great meeting up with you last night! So what you think of my GF? She was quite happy to do the sauna and facial while we were having the coffee so no problems.

Hey I checked through this thread and I can confirm that if the police catch you and told your mother she will be hapy to pay extra 5,000 RMB for the authorities to supply more MM to you so that you can settle down lah.

By the way, so April on or not? I want to join your family leh......

Cheers and I hope you get the contract so we can cheong in Shanghai.

Morningrun.

It’s good catching up with you too – and thanks for the coffee. Hey, you have a really nice GF there – so treasure the moments, brudder!

Well, at my age if GAs do catch me with MMs – they should really be giving me “Encouragement Award” – and you are right, me mum will be proud of the fact that her single son is still at it at this age, hehehe! But settling down – I don’t think so – there are just too many MMs around to distract me!

No worries – I will let you know the date as soon as I can, but I’m still shooting for a visit to southern China around mid-April. And I am sure we will probably catch up in other places such as Shanghai, Qingdao and Beijing when we travel on biz. Yeah – it is a big country and so many MMs…

Huzige · #10 14-03-2006, 03:22 PM

Reported in the local paper today, the first two local couples caught under the new laws. See:
http://news.hexun.com/detail.aspx?id=1562665 and comments by some Chinese netizens. Unfortunately, in Chinese – but you can use http://www.systransoft.com/index.html for a really bad translation of the text.

So, be careful and street-smart – am sure none of us wants to be the first foreigner charged under the new laws.

Huzige · #11 14-03-2006, 03:39 PM

Oophs – those were the first two caught in Hangzhou. See this report for Shenzhen situation: http://www.sznews.com/n4/ca2218614.htm Looks like GA using the new laws to get after the FLs and BBSs in Nanshan and Shekou areas in SZ, including six (6) men arrested to date under the new laws. I wonder if any brudders in the area can give an update of the situation. I understand many Hongkees have been very scared to visit their traditional hunting grounds like CP recently. Well, hopefully the more enlightened members of NPC will be successfully in getting prostitution legalized! See: http://www.boysky.com/Article/Class2...603/7595.shtml

Sinoview · #12 14-03-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Huzige

Reported in the local paper today, the first two local couples caught under the new laws. See:
http://news.hexun.com/detail.aspx?id=1562665 and comments by some Chinese netizens. Unfortunately, in Chinese – but you can use http://www.systransoft.com/index.html for a really bad translation of the text.

So, be careful and street-smart – am sure none of us wants to be the first foreigner charged under the new laws.

That two guys ... were handled over to their parents....

For foreigner what will be the outcome : Like this ?

According to a news report in yahoo, the China authourities may deport badly behaved foreigners

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060301...hina_crime_dc_2

Better be more careful...

cch2001 · #13 16-03-2006, 03:06 PM

Entertainment venues checked

www.chinaview.cn 2006-03-15 23:46:20

++++BEIJING, March 15 (Xinhuanet) -- China's police authority on Wednesday asked its local bureaus to clean up entertainment venues, clamping down on drugs, prostitution and criminal activities.

++++"Efforts should be stepped up to check illegal activities occurring in entertainment venues, especially gang activities, drug abuse and drug dealing, gambling, prostitution and sex shows," said a circular issued by the Ministry of Public Security.

++++The order came two weeks after China enacted a strict regulation for the operation of entertainment venues. It bans gambling, prostitution and other illegal activities on the premises.

++++Local police were asked to impose more severe punishments on violators. Venue owners who are warned three times in two years will be obliged to shut down their businesses, the circular said.

++++The circular also asked police to close down seedy venues with poor safety standards. Names of the entertainment venues which receive official warnings will be made public.

++++China's entertainment industry has grown into a huge money-spinner. Owners of entertainment venues, including Karaoke clubs (KTV), snooker rooms, computer game parlors and various bars, usually overlook crimes or safety issues in their pursuit of profits..

++++Some owners have connections with local police or officials or even harbor prostitution, and engage in gambling or other illegal activities as ways to make more money.

++++The circular said police officials will be held responsible for lax law enforcement if prostitution, drug-abuse and gambling+are rampant on their turf.

++++Local police chiefs will also be punished for covering such recreations. In addition, police caught running entertainment businesses or not halting their relatives from doing so will face severe punishment. Enditem
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smelly-bye · #14 22-03-2006, 05:58 PM

good point. thanks for the efforts